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here`s a vid of a lion killing a giraffe. another took part in the hunt, but only one lion actually killed the animal;

http://www.fachak.com/fir...ffe-caught-on-tape

also, simon king states single lions have killed giraffe. and, studies by schaller show lions usually hunt alone;

http://i277.photobucket.c...elionshuntfrequently.jpg

Posted @ Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:51 PM by damon

....Chor....you completely misinterpret my words. the highest average for tigers, was that of chitwans, and, adjusted for food content, averaged 221 kg. 4 adulr male lions weighed by the kenya wildlife service averaged 221.5 kg.

i stated, rather clearly, that chitwan tigers were larger than most other lions because they had the higher food consumption. i did not state they were the same size because tigers had the larger food consumption...that doesn`t even make sense.

....don`t post stuff you know little about. and, i assure you, my life was never miserable.

Posted @ Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:56 PM by damon

Raul, tigers very rarely kill gaur;

http://i277.photobucket.c...ndintigerscats.jpg

while studies show tigers do prefer gaur where they are plentiful, the actual average weight of the prey animals killed is much less;

http://i277.photobucket.c...tionbythetiger.jpg

...now, something for lions (though, more than one lion had hunted the animals, it is still impressive);

"Lions in this area prey mainly on impalas. Males lions, especially when younger, are far less risk averse than the females and will tackle larger prey far more frequently. The West Street Males caught five giraffe in a month when they first came into the area as five young adults, and the young Charleston Males - two of whom became the Rollercoaster Males - caught eight giraffe in two months. The Eyrefield Males once caught an adult rhino cow."

http://journeysofdistinct...ildlife_7_lion.htm

and, i didn`t change the chitwan tiger figure. sunquist himself stated the tigers ate a total (even excluding the two other males, it is a reliable average) 14 kg a day. but, he also mentioned the tigers fed upon natural kills as well, and the range in food consumption (which likely included the two other males you mentioned) ranged from 14 - 18 kg a day.

check this out, on the average size of prey killed by single lions (go to next post).....

Raul, the sunquist document stated food consumption not only from baits, but natural kills as well. so, the 235 kg figure does not stand. and, you keep stating i changed the data...i did not, merely reported what the document stated, and made the nessecary changes.

and, stop saying i have twist statements...i don`t. i do not know the source of all the measurements given by slaght, and i much rather see the full document, translated.

and, studies indicate tigers very rarely hunt gaur, as scat analysis indicate no remains of gaur, while lions quite regularly (rather singly, or in groups) hunt giraffe as well, especially the males, and giraffe are bigger than gaur.

Posted @ Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:17 PM by damon

Raul, i have actual data upon the measurements of the canines of both lions and tigers, and that of the tigers was only larger by slightly less than 2 cm.

and, here is the record of the 272 kg lion;

http://i277.photobucket.c...npostprimemale.png

...the weight was document and later verified, via email;

http://i277.photobucket.c...onlion/rkock-1.jpg

and, as the email states, the lion had an empty stomach.

....Raul, i did not edit any of my videos, except the big cage fight, and, even then, i only extracted those scenes which were repeated.

and, it is lions which usually hunt larger prey...as the prey animals usually killed by tigers is chital deer, while that of lions is usually wildebeast, or zebras, which are bigger than chital. and, it is single lions which usually hunt these animals, according to studies by schaller.

male lions quite frequently, whether alone or in groups, hunt such large animals as cape buffalo, or even giraffe, more so than the females, and they actually get more food from hunting for themselves, than from the females.

and, the 272 kg figure was reported by scientists, not hunters, though they were problem lions, and had to be shot. notice, also, that that lion of 272 kg was post prime, or past the age where male lions begin to lose condition, according to studies by smuts.

and, those records you mentioned does not indicate tigers are larger than lions.

and, the average of those 7 chitwan males, adjusted for FOOD INTAKE (as they ate a total of 14 kg a day, feeding upon baits and natural kills) is 221 kg. i do not except the 221 kg figure given by slaght.

Posted @ Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:33 PM by damon

kez, lions are indeed able to use more than one paw at a time;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blc1trpMFME

and, check this out as well (read from pages 68-70);

http://books.google.com/b...he+bengal#PPA68,M1

and, kez, i have seen the full fight of the lion and tiger in the big cage...the lion won. in fact, i have a few scenes that were not included in the movie;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfYr4JojABM

..i cut out the scenes that were repeated. and, here`s another vid of the same fight scenes, with a new scene added;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SLLbbkMGb4

Posted @ Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:13 AM by damon

also, here`s pics of the tigers balls;

http://i277.photobucket.c...8/Five-BigCage.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.c...hree-BigCage-1.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.c...08/One-BigCage.jpg

and, the canines of the tiger are only longer by about 2 cm, to suit it`s purpose of long hunting, as his teeth can more easily fit between the vertabre of their prey. also, the lion`s canines are longer. and, one of the main reasons tigers are solitary, is because of the lesser degree of competition they recieve, as, living in the ndese jungles of asia, both predators and prey animals alike are more spread out, and competition less extreme. studies also indicate the lion has the larger paws on average, and of greater bone density, which would equate to a more forceful strike. likewise, strike speed between these animals was measured by animal face off, using video footage, and they both strike with the same speed, at 18 ft per sec.

chitwan tigers, adjusted for food content, average 221 kg. 4 adult male lions weighed by the kenya woldlife service, averaged 221.5 kg, ranging in weight from 180 - 272 kg. tigers are no larger.

and, yes, at the BEGINNING beatty would send in 5 tigers and 20 lions...but, this had nothing to do with favoritism. his is a fighting act, the this makes the tension high. he would have, at one time, 20 lions and 20 tigers in his cage.

and, beatyty indeed had siberian tigers. in fact, one of his lions, named detroit, killed 2 of them. you obviously did not read his books. also, beaty stated in his book, facing the big cats, that lions and tigers were a standoff in terms of weight.

lions face greater competition, which is one of the reaosns they live in groups, as they must often face not one, but multiple opponents. but, at the same time, a lion with a pride will invariably be of greater testosterone than one without, and, not only is there a physical battle between these animals, but a physichological one as well, and the pride male/males may be able to intimidate their rivals into retreat. lions are far more combative than tigers, and certainly the more practiced at fighting....just just at my last two vids, which i uploaded before uploading the full lost jungle movie, in my account brentlion.

Posted @ Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:27 AM by damon