Bobcats overrated. Here's an account of a bobcat killed by 120 pound old man...
first an old man kills a leopard, than a cheetah, now...
WESLEY CHAPEL, Fla. - A 62-year-old Florida man depended on his instincts when a bobcat attacked him, and it paid off - he survived, the bobcat didn't.
Dale Rippy, a resident of Wesley Chapel, Florida, was pulling trashcans back to his house May 30 when he saw what he thought was a large cat. After realizing the animal was actually a bobcat, he set the trashcans down and prepared for an attack.
Having grown up on a farm, Rippy said he knew the bobcat would attack when it didn't run away after seeing him.
"When it growled, I knew it was going to jump and bite me," he said.
The animal then jumped on him and began to scratch and bite. Rippy said he knew if he could get a good hold on the animal, he would be able to choke it, even if that meant letting the bobcat take a couple of bites.
"I started choking it when got a good hold," he said. "I choked it 'til he died. I got scratched up pretty good."
Rippy never had to go to the hospital, but was examined at a doctor's office due to puncture wounds on his stomach and scratches.
After the attack, his neighbor called the police, who then called animal control. After the animal was inspected, it was found to be infected with rabies.
Rippy said now, he and his neighbor that helped him after the attack have to have rabies shots.
"It attacked me because it was sick," he said.
Rippy said he has lived in his home 25 miles north of Tampa for 13 years and, although he has seen a panther and other animals in the wooded area behind his house, that was the first time he had ever seen a bobcat.
He also said those around him were very surprised about the attack and how he saved himself by killing the animal.
"The bobcat was big enough that it could have really hurt somebody, especially since it had rabies," he said.
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and killed by a hammer
That bobcat was 25 pounds and it still was a threat to seriously hurt someone. Check out the one year old doe thread. A 70 pound pit bull(three times the bobcat's size)was killed bare-handed by a senior-citizen in Texas.
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i posted this becoz frankly im sick of how oveeeated the bobcat is here
some posters claim that they will totalyy destoy nearly all types of dogs inc figthing dogs thats simply ridiculuos
The bobcat would have the edge against any dog its size except a pit. Further, I am confident that I could choke to death any pit alive. They rarely get above 70 pounds, and any animal this size or less can be overpowered and chocked to death.
As far as the hammer, any human could be easily killed with a swift blow of a hammer to the head. Its no surprise that much smaller bobcat was killed in this manner.
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most of the so-called "attacks" of bobcats on dogs were "toy breeds"...and these werre "ambushed"
All I have to do here is point you to one of a few fights. There is a well documented fight between an airedale terrier and bobcat. The airedale was not "ambushed" and actually initiated the fight against the crippled bobcat that was only half its size. This fight lasted 15 minutes, upon which the cat was shot because of potential serious harm to the dog.
airedales r nothing dude
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I have found reports of people killing leopards with their bare hands so I don't see how getting killed in this manner would hurt the bobcats reputation much.
Someone with a hammer killing a bobcat does not seem surprising at all. Predators considerably larger than a bobcat might be killed in this manner.
"airedales r nothing dude"
airedales are a really good fighting dog over twice the bobcat's size... what nonsense.
Airedales aren't fighting dogs at all. They're a hunting terrier. Some can be fairly tenacious and tough, at least in relation to their delicate frame. They're infamous for thinking they're alot tougher than they are and suffering the consequences.
I could see one getting hurt fighting a bobcat, they have thin skin (not to mention light delicate bones- but this is nothing a bobcat could exploit).
If a fight between a bobcat and an airedale takes 15 minutes we can be sure the airedale was winning, if the bobcat got an upper hand it would be over alot faster than that, but yes I'm sure the airedale was taking some serious desperation-raking from a defeated bobcat and so the dog's owner shot the bobcat. If the bobcat had an owner it probably would have shot the airedale about 14 and a half minutes earlier, back when the bobcat first emphatically lost the contest and begun being ravaged.
For the record, an airedale vs a 30 lbs staffordshire bull terrier is a non-contest, sbt wins very very easily and fast.
The bobcat was crippled when it fought the much larger airedale for 15 minutes. That's what makes the feat so impressive.
A bull-terrier would beat an airedale the vast majority of the time, but it wouldn't be this very fast business you say. Airedales have been used as pit fighters, and on a dog fighting message board, many people give them a lot of respect and say they are good fighting dogs pound for pound. The bull terrier is better at beating larger dogs than a bobcat is. This doesn't translate to how it would do against a bobcat of thirty pounds at parity.An example of this is the pit bull beating dogs three to four times its size. You take a leopard 3-4 times the size of a pit bull, and the pit will be dead within a minute -- maybe two max. Point being, bull-terriers and pits are bred to be good fighters against other dogs, not felines.
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Any MAN, can kill any ANIMAL, under say 35-30lbs.. whether it be a bobcat or a pitbull.
Airedales aren't fighting dogs, matth. Their in the terriers group, but not the bull and terrier which translates into dogs bred for fighting. Earth terriers, like the patterdale terrier and the jack russle terrier. The airedale is the biggest terrier in the terrier group, (remember, not bull and terrier breeds like bull terriers, pitbull terriers and staffordshires. )
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What message board told you they were once successfully used as fighting dogs? Give me the link. I need to see this crap.
Lover of everything "Bully".
Here are two accounts below of airedale terriers defeating bull-terriers(including one of the best fighting bull-terriers) in pit fights. There is also other good information on the airedale below -- including its use as a pit-fighter .
During the 1930s, when airedales were farmed like livestock, American breeders developed the Oorang airedale. Capt. Walter Lingo, of LaRue, Ohio, developed the Oorang Airedale strain. The name came from a line of bench champions, headed by King Oorang 11, a dog which was said to have been the finest utility dog. King could retrieve waterfowl and upland game, tree raccoons, drive cattle and sheep, and bay mountain lions, bears, and wolves. King even fought one of the best fighting bull terriers, and killed his opponent. He also trained in Red Cross work, and served the American Expeditionary Force at the front in France. Lingo simply wasn't satisfied with the average strain of Airedale, and after an incredible series of breedings, for which he brought in great Airedales from all over the world, he created the "King Oorang." At the time, Field and Stream magazine called it, "the greatest utility dog in the history of the world." The Oorang Kennel Company continued until Walter Lingo's death in 1969. Jerry Siebert, an Airedale breeder in Buckeye Lake, Ohio, followed in Lingo's footsteps, and bred "Jerang Airedales." There is a kennel in Tennessee that claims to have original Oorang Airedales. Dogs of close to 100 pounds and upwards, carry the medical and behavioral problems associated with the 1930s airedale. After the First World War, the Airedales' popularity rapidly increased thanks to stories of their bravery on the battlefield and also because Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, and Warren Harding owned Airedales. President Harding's Airedale was named Laddie Boy. President Roosevelt claimed that "An Airedale can do anything any other dog can do and then lick the other dog, if he has to."
All about AiredalesBy Robert Manning Palmer
"his fact is peculiarly creditable and praiseworthy
in view of the necessity all through its development of maintaining
the characteristics of the original purpose of the breed, namely, in
having a thoroughly game fighting dog, one endowed with a most
powerful physique, size and stature for endurance and hard work
and also the rarest hunting instincts. The Airedale originated as a
working terrier and a hunting dog he will always be, as all terrier
breeds had lacked the scenting powers of the hound blood until it
was so successfully introduced and maintained in this breed."
"He is game to the core, does not carry a grouch about with him and is
ready to fight to the death when occasion demands"
" They will be most indifferent and yet ever ready, and the
instant they are attacked, they are all there in a second with actions
so quick and forceful that lightning seems slow in comparison, for
with punishing jaw and great strength they are seldom bested. "
The American Book of the DogBy George O. Shields
"The following extract from a letter lately received from
an old friend will be of interest in this connection:
I will try and write you what I know of Airedales. I think the breed
originated from a cross between the Otter Hound and the Bull Terrier. "
***It is said that people are unsure where exactly the breed originated from. This guy seems to believe it originated from the otter-hound and bull-terrier. I'll have to dig deeper in my research to try and confirm this.***
"I owned three - Smuggler, Crack, and Ben - and they were all as good dogs
as I ever saw. Ben was the best and largest of the three. He would probably
weigh some forty to forty-five pounds when in good condition. They
breed them now much larger than they did then. When I had them, I was
about eighteen or twenty years old - now thirty years ago and over. . . .
Crack was first owned by a Leeds gentleman, and weighed not more than
thirty five pounds when in fair condition. He was matched and fought in the
pit, in Leeds, with a Bull Terrier, weight thirty-three and one-half pounds.
Crack was to come any weight ; Bull Terrier was to be thirty-two pounds only,
but they let him in at above weight. I saw the fight, and bought Crack for2 10s. as soon as it was over. Crack outfought him, and killed him dead in
forty -eight minutes, and fought fully as quiet as the Bull Terrier. He was
better grit, for if the Bull Terrier could, he would have jumped the pit, I
think ; but Crack pinned him and held him until he finished him. Either of the
other two, Ben or Smuggler, would fight just as keen. The Airedale fights much
faster than the Bull Terrier, and their thick hair seems to sicken the dogs they
fight with. "
"The dog Charlie, that I have now in Maine, sleeps in my bedroom
on a mat at the door, and no foot can enter Ihe yard but he knows it. No
one can cross Ihat threshold at night unless he sees fit to allow it. He is three
years old now, aud I think is a perfect type of the breed. He is surely game,
and will hunt rabbits and rats every minute he can get. I think if he was
properly trained that few dogs would beat him. He knows no one but his
master, and completely ignores everyone else. . . .
You can teach the Airedale Terrrier anything."
More proof of its use as a pit fighter:
"The Airedale Terrier is a large and versatile terrier dog breed originating from the Aire valley in Yorkshire, England. Known as the 'King of Terriers' because it is said to be able to do any job any other dog can do, only better.
The Airedale Terrier is also probably the most versatile of all terriers, having been bred to hunt fur and feather, retrieve over land and water, as well as being used as a pit fighter, ratter, herder, police dog, guide dog for the blind, plus messenger dog and sentry during the First World War. Were it not for its inherently streak, the Airedale Terrier would be a popular, successful, working dog."
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Being terrier means a dog bred for fighting all sorts of animal. The bull terrier literally is a bulldog and terrier. The accounts of the airedale fighting bull terriers where before bull and terriers breeds established their dog fighting reign.
The terriers used for the bulldog and terrier cross where dog aggressive and more agile. I believe the accounts actually because it wasn't until the 1900s until the staffordshires and pibull terriers began their impact in dog fighting.
However the airedale dabbled in dog fighting but wasnt meant as an pure fighting dog. Terriers are very versitile and with the addition of bulldog influnced into them into more powerful fighting dog. The bulldog didn't make the pitbull dog aggressive it was the terrier who added agressivenes, speed and agility.
However, the fact remains the airedale is not a fighting breed. Your source says orignal purpose was an hunting terrier as of majority of registrations of these dogs. Sure they have been used for fighting and don't deny that yes they could whoop some bull terrier, but in modern says with the well develop bloodline of staffordshire pitbull irish staffordshire and bull terrier, the airedale is not only smaller but its appearance and function as a fighting breed is laughable.
As once confirmed not a fighting breed but hunting terrier THAT ONCE were involved in dog fighting like a many terriers of the past.
Now for that board link please. For the rare history of airedales fighting dogs is hundreds more that states their true purpose as hunting terrier.
All fighting breeds have bulldog or mastiff decent. The airedale has none. The airedale is not on moloss.com
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Last Edited By: vita2006 08/18/08 15:38:59. Edited 1 time.
"The accounts of the airedale fighting bull terriers where before bull and terriers breeds established their dog fighting reign. "
"believe the accounts actually because it wasn't until the 1900s until the staffordshires and pibull terriers began their impact in dog fighting. "
well read below.... the airedale "King" beat a top-fighting bull-terrier in the 1930s.
The airedale terrier is a good fighter pound for pound. There are only a few dogs the terrier's size that can beat it. It plainly says above that the bull-terrier has been defeated(EVEN a TOP-FIGHTING Bull-terrier in the 1930s, this is recent, and would be a well-bred bull-terrier,) on a few occasions. To say that a bull-terrier would make short work of an airedale is laughable. You can try and spin this as much as you want vita, but the average person can read through the overwhelming sources that say otherwise and form an informed conclusion.
I agree the airedale is more suited for being a hunting dog, but this doesn't take away from its fighting abilities, just as the dogo can fight well, but nowadays it is used primarily as a boar hunting dog.
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Acually I twisted nothing. I said I believe the accounts and at that time yes it could had happened back then. But in modern times not even. I m sure I could track the decent of the best fighting quality bull terrier. Does the read say anything about the bloodline of the bull terrier? A dog like that should be in the bull terrier database of some sort don't you agree. I mean they were kind enoug to cleary state the line behind the 100lb airedales common from that line.
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bull-terriers are considered good fighting dogs. The fact that the airedale fought a top quality bull-terrier of its weight and prevailed in 48 minutes, should be enough to make it considered a good fighting dog pound for pound.
The fact that all the other "dog sources" say a bull-terrier is a good fighter, but is used for hunting/working because it is so great at this should also say something.
Airedales are not considered "fighting dogs" because they are extremely great at hunting/working. However,this doesn'tmean an airedale can't fight, it most definitely can, and pound for pound an airedale is a good fighter, though I agree the bull-terrier on average is substantially better.However, to say that a bull-terrier would beat an airedale very fast and easily is pure nonsense. The airedale would give a good account but most-likely lose.There are a numberof large fighting dogs that would beat an airedale the vast majority of the time as well.
Bull-terriers are right behind pit bulls as being the best fighter pound for pound. The fact that an airedale has overcome a champion-quality bull-terrier and also another bull-terrier in a pit fight means that these dogs are very good fighters pound for pound. Outside of the apbt, and bull-terriers, I see very few, if any dogs at thirty to 40 pounds that would beat an airedale(which usually weighs anywhere form 45-65 pounds. The fact that a crippled bobcat almost beat an airedale over twice its size before it was shot, speaks volumes to its fighting ability.
Here is where we differ:
----I believe a bobcat would have the edge against any dog at parity except a pit(and I have a lot of supporting sources)
----Vita believes that any fighting dog can beat a bobcat.
*There is even a book from Harvard that says that bobcat would beat the second best fighting dog pound for pound(a bull terrier) four out of five times.
*There is also science digest, that says that : "Pound for pound, the American wildcat or bobcat(Lynx rufus, not the larger Canada Lynx) is probably as capable of a fighter as there is in the animal world"
For the hell of it, If I concede that a bobcat would lose more times than not against a bull terrier of thirty pounds, what other dog out there would beat a bobcat at thirty pounds besides a bull-terrier or apbt? I don't see any dog having a shot of beating a bobcat more times than not at this weight(besides an apbt or bull-terrier) . So if I were to drop my stance that a bull-terrier would lose the majority of the time to a bobcat at thirty pounds of weight, that would only place two dogs that would win more times than not against a bobcat at thirty pounds or less. This still proves that a bobcat is one hell of a fighter. It is also logical to conclude that the much,much,much more formidable clouded leopard, adolescent jaguar, and female leopard would be a complete mismatch against the best dogs have to offer at parity(i.e. pits and bull-terriers).
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Airedales aren't fighting dogs and aren't considered good fighters agaisnt other dogs. Because of a few situations where the lineage (just best fighting bull terrier) states PARTICULAR Airedale kept its own just basically explains their tenacious terrier ways. Airedales aren't considered fighting dogs BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT BRED TO BE. Terriers are very versatile and can do many different areas of work.
The bull terrier isn't behind the pitbull terrier, but the irish staffordshire and then the staffordshire, and then comes the bull terrier. All of those breeds are under 40 lbs because of their terrier influence. The smaller the pitbull, irish staff, staff and bull terrir, the more terrier influence. The larger, the more bull dog influence. Particular bloodlines are more bullydoggy, while others are more terrier influenced.
APBT are terrierish, bulldogish or both.
The irish staff and staffordshire has more fighting bloodline than bull terrier. I wouldn't consider the bull terrier right after the pitbull terrier, but certainly better than 99.9% of airedale that would ever attempt to fight one. You may get some freak cases (like the ones posted) but those are rare. The NONIMPACT the airedale had as a box dog was another indication of its poorer than so so as a box dog. Its meant to work other terriers on the hunt, not fighting dogs in the ring. But things happen, but in real terms, there is no way you could compare the best quality bull terrier of today with any airedale. Not even as a joke. Airedales can hold their own but not enough to protect themselves from bull terriers if they ever were misfortuned to combat one.
I'm not sure why the pitbull and bull terrier are the ONLY breeds you can think of. Then again, I know you are ignorant to fighting breeds so, these are the fighting bull and terrier breeds.
APBT (as seen above) As low as 25-105lbs
Irish Staff 25-55lb
Bull terrier 25-60lb
Fighting bull terriers don't have the over exaggerated egg shaped head. They should be alike to this
Functional bull terriers are very good fighters, too good for airedale.
Just a question if cats are supposed to be quick killers, do you really think the bobcat was getting the best of the airedale? Because logically, it makes no sense.
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The dog on the bottom looks to be around an average bobcat's weight(maybe 22 pounds or so). I could see a bobcat winning against this dog the vast majority of the time, as well as against bull-terriers up to ten pounds heavier than this one).
I've a;ready said that airedales make great hunting dogs. However, there are not many dogs below the airedales weight that can beat it consistently. The only dogs that can beat airedales consistently are bull-terrier mix dogs. That means airedales are better fighters at parity or below than the VAST majority of dogs.Most people would place the english bull-terrier after the pitbull.To be clear, it could of been a staffordshire terrier or irish staffordshire, as all these dogs are simply variations of bull-terrier. It really doesn't matter, because the bull-terrier variety(including the apbt) are the only fighting dogs worthy of being matched with a bobcat of thirty pounds at parity(and that leaves out like 98 percent of dogs).Further , I have a good source(harvard) that says bobcats would best a bull-terrier at parity weight of thirty pounds, four out of five times. I stand by my remark that the pitbull is the only dog at parity that can beat a bobcat on a consistent basis.
To be honest, a willing mongrel can put an airedale in its place today. They probably were more on for fighting dogs in that era than compared to modern time. Majority of terrier breed were just created over 100 years ago and nearly all of them dabbled in dog fighting. You just aren't into dogs like me to understand its more than just words on paper.
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What is interesting, the airedale from the 1930s account was said to be from dogs who are near 100lbs. That is probably due to the fact of outter hound in them. But yet, the bull terrier itself ranges in weights between 25-60 usually. I can't seem to find the bull terrier King fought. The bull terrier was claimed champion, but I don't have a name to actually see the dogs he fought to make him champion. Its pretty impressive the bull terrier fought a larger dog for nearly 50 mins before being killed.
Also, Crack was fighting a poor bull terrier. If the bull terrier had the chance, he would of jumped the ring it states, but because Crack was holding him down, he was unable to escaped and killed. Fighting dogs shouldn't behave in that manner even when they are getting the bad deal. Interesting accounts in deed.
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Weight: 20-33 kg 45-70 lb (with so-called Oorang Airedales, or "large type", from 60 to 100 lb)
It says they weigh anywhere from 60-100 pounds. The weight for the Airedale was not given , so I don't know why you automatically jump to the conclusion that the dog was 100 pounds.
"Also, Crack was fighting a poor bull terrier. If the bull terrier had the chance, he would of jumped the ring it states, but because Crack was holding him down, he was unable to escaped and killed. Fighting dogs shouldn't behave in that manner even when they are getting the bad deal. Interesting accounts in deed."
Actually, the only fighting dog that shouldn't be acting this way is the pit bull. All other dogs can be overcome to the point that they quit, or try to escape/leave the fight.You always say the dog is a poor fighter when it loses, but this isn't always the case. Even quality bull-terriers can be overcome to the point where they behave as what happend above.
Also, the bull-terrier that fought the smaller version airedale at parity lost. It is only logical to assume that these bull-terriers that are pitted against other animals are trained to fight. Sure some bull-terriers may have more skill and gameness than others, but again, the fact is, these dogs, along with all others except the pit bull, are prone to backing down and quiting in fights.
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It also doesn't give the name of the bull terrier, so don't automatically assume it was a CH dog. Seriously, the weights of neither dogs were not given. How is this source creditable what so ever? But all we can do is assume because key information is missing. The other account was more professional, however the quality of the bull terrier wasn't as good as it should of been because it clearly states if given the chance it would of high tailed it out these.
Check into the book "Thirty Years with Fighting dogs" its a good read to understand bull and terriers and the raise of the pitbull terrier in combating.
Bull terriers are supposed to know no end, like all bull and terrier breeds they should be game. And while gameness doesn't mean a win, it just makes the chances of the dog to win better if it didn't quit. Perhaps Crack knew his opponent wouldn't fight back and proceeded to destroy him. Who is to say the same would occur with a dog that would never think of running before finishing? Chances are, the difference is great. Because some dogs know they can handle some, but not others. Which questions the quality, and other factors, but the truth is that bull terrier was just a cur not even able to beat a airedae.
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"Just a question if cats are supposed to be quick killers, do you really think the bobcat was getting the best of the airedale? Because logically, it makes no sense."
A bobcats teeth and jaws are not close as formidable as say a CL. Its claws and strength also fall WAY short of a CL of even 40 pounds..If a CL was placed in this situation, I would expect the fight not to last long. However, a bobcat lacks the tools(small teeth in comparison -- though still somewhat formidable) and strength to kill formidable fighting dogs quickly. The main point being made about the bobcat vs the airedale, was the bobcat(even though it was crippled!) managed to give a good fight(considerably wounding the dog and placing it in danger) over 15 minutes long against a formidable dog over twice its size before being shot for the dogs saftey.Obviously, the cat being crippled, would mean it would have a much harder time killing the dog - so it's no surprise the fight went on a long time. What is a surprise is the fact that a bobcat lasted over 15 minutes fighting a dog and it wasn't just any bobcat lasting over fifteen minutes, it was a crippled bobcat managing to summon up this level of endurace! This shows a cat's endurance is considerably underrated on here.
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