A - INTRO
I've been following proceedings for some time now and concluded nothing had changed. Referring to misinformation, abuse and all the rest of it. Yesterday, I decided to contact Apollyon and the other mods. They didn't respond yet, but my guess they are just as fed up as I am.
I thought things over and made a few decisions. I'll act on them and will do so with immediate effect. Read carefully.
B - RULES OF CONDUCT
1 - AVA. A forum to exchange information on animals, not a place to create flame wars and havoc.
2 - Information. Anything of interest regarding the animal or species discussed is info. Info should be authentic and confirmed by authorities if possible.
3 - Information and opinion. You can post opinions, but it shouldn't result in sidelining good info or deliberate misinformation.
4 - Debate. AVA-members interact on issues of interest. Anyone participating should be allowed to express himself without being shot.
5 - Conduct. Anything not accepted in real life isn't accepted here.
6 - Problems. Debates often will not be concluded in a satisfying way for most. If an issue is undecided, leave it and start something else.
C - FOLLOW-UP
If rules are ignored, the thread(s) in question will be deleted. Gone forever, that is. Anyone involved will be banned. Not for a week or a month, but indefinitely. Also gone forever. I'm done with crap and so are the other mods. I don't care about the consequences and my guess is I'm not the only one. We want to have good info and good debates on issues of interest regarding wild animals.
D - EXAMPLES OF MISINFORMATION AND MISCONDUCT
- Dalen. Anyone not with you is Kingther (Kingtheropod). Insultive. Misconduct.
- Bold. There is good info on the size of big cats. If no agree, construct and post your own tables. But don't misinform.
- Catlion. If you go for extremes in a debate, you will harvest. You can't deliver fuse and matches and say it wasn't you. Clever misconduct. Worse.
- Kaai. You insulted, refused a deal and said you was gone. Then you showed face B and returned. But I saw it. Act consistently. Solve the problem or go.
- Tiger posters. Some crossed limits, but they was baited. When you see misinfo, inform the mods. Anything else is waste of time.
- Lion. Agree with much and like the humour, but dislike the abuse regarding Bold. Misinfo can be removed by mods.
E - CONCLUSIONS
Different posters (as well as readers) told me about the crap specified above. A job for the mods. True. But.
I joined AVA for info and debate, not to play nanny. I don't get paid to mod. Don't know about the others, but my guess is they wouldn't mind me deleting crap, banning flamers and solve the problem once and for all. There would be consequences for sure, but I think most would want to see a change. I prefer 30 posters over 381 flamers any time. So do readers.
AVA still has good threads. Remember it's about animals. Many wild animals, and big predators in particular, could use help. If you don't really care and like to duke it out for whatever reason, I'd advice a one-way trip to Sichote-Alin, a moron forum or a career in fighting. You can also see your shrink.
F - FIGHTS
I know this is Animal Versus Animal, but you have to remember there never was a two-week tournament with judges and reporters. Also remember old rulers organized fights between tigers and lions for a long period. This should tell you something.
Most interested in fights have no experience whatsoever. How get to an opinion?
Trainers and keepers could be the only reliable sources on recent encounters. Although some are reluctant to talk, others are not. I talked to quite many and most saw things you will never see. Those who witnessed fights agreed individual qualities and character often seem to be decisive. There's no such thing as species-related treats in encounters between captive predators. Every fight is an event in itself and every animal is different. And then there is circumstances. Animals know the outcome of a serious fight is unpredictable. That's why most would settle for a deal. Fatalities occur when one of the two is bigger, older or more experienced than the other. Doesn't happen often in fights between similar-sized animals, but in fights in which one has a distinct advantage. Surprise also is an advantage.
I noticed experienced trainers usually (not always) refrain from clear opinions on encounters. Those with more distinct ideas often have little or no experience. Posters referring to 'authorities' with strong opinions on the outcome of a fight between two well-matched animals of different species should realize misinformation is a serious offence. Those with knowledge in some departments willing to misuse it in order to mislead others, in my book, compare to frauds. Posters using these 'authorities' to make a point should realize a debate isn't about winning or losing, but about good information and insight.
Also remember captive animals are mere shadows of their wild relatives. They shouldn't be used to get to an opinion on a species. Very different ball game. As for fights. Wild animals seldom engage in fights with animals of another species just because. There usually is a good reason. There are a few books in which this issue is discussed by biologists. Find them.
G - TO FINISH
Remember the start of this post. I'm not going to debate it. Not arrogance, but fed up after years of wars and no improvement whatsoever. It stops here and now. Go flame somewhere else. If not, threads will be deleted and those involved banned. Think it over.