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Thu, Jan 23, 2014 8:56 PM
Thu, Jan 23, 2014 11:39 PM
amur wrote:No Keath. Thats siberian not so tiny.
What has been said before is that lions punch so heavy that sent a tiger 10 feet away.
In the video above tiger gets hit by right hook which may stumbles it. The timing of the punch is great although it is not a heavy punch.
The tiger above is doing god in fighting of lions though...
Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:00 AM
Keith wrote:Hi Amur, regarding your comment: "But when a tiger gets knocked of 10 feet by only one punch, this can not be a big tiger, wright?"
in this vid the lion's strike sends the tiger flying some meters away.
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Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:38 PM
amur wrote:Yes Starfox I study lion fight alot.
It seems sometime we are watching the same fight and judge differently.
Let me tell you this, submission does not mean anything when tigers fight.
They might show submission and then suddenly go to attack.
This tiger was in psychological disadvantage, being alone against three lions.
The male lions were comfortable and offensive, being numerous. Other male intervened in sec 22, and the blow exchanges after that male lion took numerous fast hits.
Of cause you rather say the tiger showed submission and the lion let go, I would say rolling over and kicking up is one of tigers way to fight.
Look at the female lion Starfox.
She, and not anyone of us, is the thru judge to this fight. And she is a lion.
She is not comfartable meeting this big cat even though she has noticed 2 male lions close by.
If any cat shows discomfort it is the female lion here.
Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:48 PM
Keith wrote:Amur I accept the psycological disadvantage in the tiger. But if you look at the clip from the start, the tiger is punishing the lioness until he seems petrified by the vision of the male lion. So, he was very brave against the lioness but with the male lion things are quite different.
I would say that tigers are always in a psycological disadvantage if put together with a lion in an enclousure, especially if this lion is a male. Tiger is used to attack by umbush while lion has a face to face confrontation nearly everyday.
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amur wrote:I understand that tiger mostly fought the lone male.
But the knowledge of multiple lions (that also intervened) put him in psychological disadvantage.
I think this had happened in Beatty´s act all the time.
I explain myself about lioness.
I have seen lionesses go confident in front of male lions, encouraging them to take on tigers, in this case in Everland. They showed dominance and offensive body posture.
This lioness did not show this behavior, although she was backed up by male lion.
About lowering the head – tigers do this always when they fight each other, I don’t know why they do this. All the bears do this too while fighting, lowering their heads to each other event if the have the upper hand in fight.
One tiger might show this behavior (which is judged as submission by us) and then suddenly attack again.
Actually, while fighting, one tiger likely back of or walk away, to suddenly come back and attack again. The fight is on all the time though.
We humans are interpreting best the fighting behavior of social animals, as we are social creatures.
Its easier for us interpret lions fighting behavior, then tigers.
And as you say Starfox, the male lion was motivated to fight – the tiger was not. Now motivation is almost everything in a fight. The tiger was not motivated at all, he just defended itself and did it excellent I think.
Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:29 AM
I have not once seen a lion dominating a tiger in wrestling.
Whatever we may say on stand up fight – the real fight will always end up in wrestling on the ground.
Here, and not anywhere else, the lion might feel the tiger strength and agility, and might back of.
Some people refer to jungle Jim fight, as lions succeed throw a tiger over shoulder, yes. But this is not wrestling, this a throw. In That fight, the much smaller tiger searched for close contact several time, and the lion retaliated. But for the lions sake I would say that the lion in that fight was a very poor fighter.
Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:03 PM
Keith wrote:"Wrestling I have not once seen a lion dominating a tiger in wrestling."
Amur did you see this one?:
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